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Starting a new BIG build - 4x4 PTO driven timber trailer with a hydraulic crane/boom and grapple. It's for the homemade UTV I built last year. This video is just an introduction to the build series since sourcing parts is a bit delayed due to current extraordinary situation. But we will get there!
Trailer specs:
* 28x11-14" tires & 14" rims
* 1450mm/57" wide, length and height - unknown
* tandem axles with homemade chain housing
* BMW E39 530D differential with 2.81 gearing (identical to the UTV diffs)
* hydraulic crane with a boom & grapple for easier log loading & handling
* independent hydraulic power pack
* radio controlled hydraulic winch on the boom
* load capacity - unknown
Stay tuned for the next episode & thanks for watching!
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4x4 PTO Driven Timber Trailer BUILD Ep.1 - Introduction
Pubblicato il 14 gen 2022
Commenti: 432
Donn DIY
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Bogdan (Hands On Tools)
@calholli You're right here. Fewer parts, less friction, less complications. And I prefer simple, with direct traction. But when you start working and you have an idea, that you want to have ground clerance, you get complicated in ideas and forget that it can be done easily 😀.
fred san さん
3 inventions maison étonnantes et des idées parfaites MGszaman Vlog (2 first should please you - simple such efficient)
calholli
@Bogdan (Hands On Tools) Fair enough.. But he could just use another diff that's the same on his buggy; so that the gear ratios match. Then if your buggy broke, you could steal the diff from your trailer and get it going again in the meantime. (the diffs aren't likely to break anyway though). I get it, those sprockets give you a little more ground clearance in the center and also ratio adjustability (as you said)-- but personally I'd much rather go direct to the diff- It's much stronger and a lot more simple, less parts/ less things to break. It should work either way though.
Bogdan (Hands On Tools)
@calholli With those sprockets he can change the ratio in case the differential group does not have the same ratio as his group. the pinion connected to the group is not the same size as the one on the wheels. The wheels will work in tandem. I also have a movie in which I made a reducer to match the ratio of the gearbox to that of the traction trailer group.
calholli
You can simplify this a lot, just by making your diff run directly to one set of wheels, and then just have the chain going straight back to the other set of wheels. Your chain setup would be better, not having that triangle shape. Also, you would only need 4 sprockets, rather than 6.. Less bearings also. I understand that you're gaining a little ground clearance-- but not really-- because your chain boxes are still low anyway. I'd just run the diff straight to the wheels/ that is how your buggy is set up, and it does fine. Plus, if your chains break-- you still have one set of wheels running on the trailer; because they are directly connected to the diff/ which is not gonna break or skip teeth/ ect..
Donemoaha Menjé
this is a 8x8 at the end... perfect forest machine, all donn by himself, can't wait to see this beast loaded in deep snow or mud :)
Leandro La Piana
many tools, many materials, many projects, many ideas, this channel is just perfect
Fixed ‘n Stoned
Could use some MORE text based or audio commentary but it’s a sold 8/10!
Robert Mallinson
Brilliant. I think I would have used two drive sprockets and two chains in the walking beam though. Stronger and less chance of the chain slipping on the drive sprocket.
Wayne Crews
I'm sure you're already 5 steps ahead of us but you may want to rethink your drive chain setup. The single drive sprocket on each side will have very little engagement with the chain as drawn and is likely to skip.
Easy fix would be to double up the drive sprockets or add idler sprockets in between the drive and driven sprockets to pull the chain down around the drive sprocket for more tooth to chain engagement.
Toni magnusson
or just put one sproket more on the axle in and split the chain so one is for front wheel and the other goest to rear,that way if one chain breake you always got drive on the other and tensioners on the bottom on the chains pushing it up is easy to make..
rcytb
My Dad had a drilling rig mounted on a tandem axle truck. The two axles were chained together with single sprockets and chains and worked fine off-road.
Ludek Svoboda
@Donn DIY Hello, original "buggy" axles on 8x8 wood forwarders from CZ Entracon or Novotny (loglander LL84 or LVS5) have 1 row of chain and works without problems with total load of 9 tons, it woks with static chain tensioner. My father in law have 2 these machines 🙂
William Glaser
@Ryan Ducharme I know someone who had one of them argo 6 wheeler with the tracks, if i recall they make a couple types one that is plastic for mud and snow and another one. They do have their flaws to which they tend to slip if you do not have tire pressure right. A flat tire will ruin a day of fun. They have some tracking issues and if I recall my friend said that at some point the track punctured the tire or damaged it somehow. Now I can not recall if this was the tires that are a unit in its self. Meaning that the tire and rim was one unit and you had to buy the whole thing. I used to own a 3 wheeler suzikie I think it was that had tires like this. They had their own problems. The argo tires I think at some time were that way and I know that if the tires are bald or close to it they might be the cause of slipping. I would also think that any slipping in the gears and chains, slipping as in back lash could also cause some issues as well. There is one way to do tracks on stuff is to search your local area for a set of 4 wheeler tracks where one is damaged. Sometimes they will sell cheap because 3 tracks is no good for a 4 wheeler. You then can use 2 tracks for a trailer or even add skies to your rig. I have always wanted to take a small 4 cylinder front wheel automatic engine and trans and add a set of those tracks on it, with skies for steering. My other option was building out some bigger tracks and make a simple snow cat machine doing this method with a set of brakes for each side for steering. Would be simple and easy to do. Pretty much remove everything and place it in to a homemade rig kinda like a van sort of. I like the idea of a van rather than a flat bed as it would be mainly for driving around when there is enough snow on the ground.
Ryan Ducharme
@William Glaser yes I’ve seen those old trucks that had chain driven back axles, I think Ford had one setup like that for their bigger trucks in the years you mentioned. I had thought about using those track kits you can get for Argo 6 and 8 wheelers, I don’t know how much trouble they have with keeping the tracks on the tires, you don’t see a lot of them, so maybe they either have problems or they’re kinda of expensive, but a person won’t be racing with them so they may work out okay. I’d like to talk to someone who has used them for awhile and see how good they are. Thank you for the information, very much appreciated.
David Casper
Great 3D plan for the gearing. Having worked with sprocket and chain set-ups, you need more contact of the chain and the sprocket on the drive gear. If it gets a little loose it will skip over the teeth of the sprocket. Maybe a set of tension idlers to give more surface for the chain to grab. Love your engineering.
Harry Ballzack
Been looking forward to this!! Really interested to see how well it will work.
Wonder if it will need a clutch to separate the trailer drive from the sxs….just thinking out loud. 😂
Slide Attack
Awesome work! Just gotta make sure that universal joint on the PTO spline is centred with the towball/pivot point for the trailer too!
Ben B
Please Donn tell me something I've been asking myself since I started following you:
What are you doing for a living!
You never stop to amaze me!
You seem to be able to create anything!
Yet another Awesome serie coming to life!
Garry Fry
Thats amazing your 3D CAD skills have improved immensely, you should do tutorials. What package are you using?
Tom C
Looks like Solid Works.
Harpo Marx
Recommend two idler sprockets on each side to hold the chain downward onto the top of each center drive sprocket to prevent slippage on their teeth. Will also allow chain tensioning.
paul martin
Yeah this is going to be epic!
Can't wait to see it come to life.
Cheers from Sydney Australia
🇭🇲🇭🇲👍
Koito rob
You might want to be aware of the problems Land Rover had with the 101 Forward Control when hitched up with a powered trailer. They found that in some circumstances if the 101 lost traction the trailer could provide enough push to tip the 101 over.
JeepAnimal
Nice idea, using the walking beam suspension. Waiting on this one again. Keep them coming Donn.
One Man's Work
I hope you have enough teeth engaged on your drive gear to end up not skipping under torque. You may consider a separate on the drive sprocket for each wheel. Just a thought, I love watching your ideas really get made!
Chaotic Mind
Best I can claim to have built was turning an old 2 seater go-kart frame into a flat deck trailer. Grandfather still uses that cart to this day.
I look forward to seeing this build.
David Beresford
Very cool work in Fusion there…some axle rotation attachment I have never tried.
You might want to test out a 3D mouse. It helps a lot.
Anton H
So cool being able to work in 3d and figure out all dimensions before hand. Assembly becomes more of a Lego build with mostly fun
Woodrow Caldwell
With a single chains per side, if one is broken you lose all drive capability. With no resistance your spider gears simply spin. Thoroughly enjoy your videos and projects. keep up the good work
John V.
Hi Donn,
I'm so excited to see you building this.
Can't wait.
All the best my friend.
Ruben Kelevra
Would be cool if you could avoid the diff and make a variable gear ratio depending on the angle of the trailer in relation to your vehicle. :)
Chris Gerry
Cool! Can't wait to see the finished product! 😃
Nemanja Krivokuća
Pure pleasure following your ideas and skills. Which software do you use for modeling?
Sergej Scholl
Ты не устаёшь меня удивлять, как всегда всё на высшем уровне 💥👍🏻
OLD DAWG DREAMING
Fantastic, looking forward to a really cool fabrication set of videos Donn. It's gonna be great !!!! Fred
Donn DIY
Thank you!
koolkar55
3D Modelling.... WOW!!!! Donny getting a bit flash this year Mate. Hope you & your family had a great Festive Season. Looks like you're stepping up the pace a bit with this build. Can't wait to see it in action. Thanks for sharing your skill & commitment to great video's. Billy J... Tropical, Tranquil Sunny Queensland, Australia.
Quarlow 12
That 3D modeling is super cool Donn. I wish I had the brains for that kind of stuff.
Steve Conner
This reminds me of the chain drive setup on a skid steer. Except those have 2 sprockets on the drive shaft to allow separate chains for the front and back wheels. Doing it that way would give a lot more chain engagement on the drive sprockets.
Russell Jankovic
Same in our motor grader
Jesse Bright
Excited to see the rest of the build!
Fabiano Silva
Ficou muito bom 👏
Tony Sargent
Nice to see you back Donn. I have a question for you, do you still have the trike you built for log hauling?
Donn DIY
Hey. Unfortunately not, I sold the bike and the trike rear end separately years ago.
Marcus Lobenstein
Great project! I think I would try to just double the back wheels like in 3:10. Wouldnt that work?
Midwest Tempest Apoc
Donn, watching your tracked vehicle video inspired me to get into fabrication.
I did not document my build as heavily as you did.
There are some videos on my channel if you'd like to check them out.
Thank you and glad to see you are still building.
Donn DIY
👍
Ruben Kelevra
Just an idea:
Make the suspension completely free-floating in the forward-backward direction - so it can move up/down and forward/backward and is only supported by two springs with dampers 45° forward/backward and a support that doesn't allow any steering movement (right/left). The drive could be done by a chain with a strong tensioner. This way the suspension can physically move backward on impacts before crawling above the impacted object. This will mitigate that the trailer steers to one side and shifting the back of your vehicle to one side, too.
This is not conventional, as it's not suitable for any high speed, but at such low speeds you're planning to use it, it shouldn't matter.
Дмитрий Александрович
Спасибо новый проект, отлично. 👍
Clyde Balcom
This is really an insane idea. I love it!!!
Steven Schmouder
Great video as always Donn! what ever happened to the tracked amphibious vehicle? I would think that would go great in the snow!
Donn DIY
I still have it. It will make a return some day when I eventually get back to it.👍
Morgan Adair
I had a dream about one of these and also have a idea that I would love to have you build. Its remote steering for axles on trailers that you control so that the trailer you tow won't cheat on the turn, it will follow the tracks of the rig pulling it so you don't have to turn so wide to get around corners .... like semi's will presently have to cross into the next lane to go around and the trailer not "cheat" and go over the curb behind it. I know how to make it perfectly
Jon McNabb
This will be a truly epic project! It needs a name like “tankenstein” or “wood slayer”! I love the duel independent bogie suspension that will be very handy.
Donn DIY
"Wood slayer" sounds awesome.😀
Lindomar Silva
O cara tem todas ferramentas na casa 🏡🏡🏡 dele facilita muito 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Clifton Snider
Wow your shop and videos sure have come a long way since the first one I watched which was the logging arch I believe. Great work.
Donn DIY
Yes. Progress is inevitable.
Rolf Nilsen
A new video from my favourite YouTuber! Great!
And on a topic I can relate to. Both forestry and trailers for working in the forest. I have one comment here. Please do take great care when operating this trailer. Both the Land Rover Forward Control 101 and the Volvo Felt military trucks had PTO driven trailers. This led to some very interesting accidents where the truck started loosing traction with the trailer was powered up. The trailer alarmingly often pushed the truck over on the side, or off the intended track. Something to have in mind :-)
Cool video! Looking forward to see the hydraulic crane on it. I purchased one a year ago and boy is that something that really helps both in the forest en elsewhere.
calholli
@Reman1975 Right.. You could also use a Torsen diff.. or like I said, you could just use a clutch and work it manually as you drive. But the whole point in 'needing' a driven trailer is because you have low traction; so even though the trailer is trying to push around corners like you said-- you're likely in mud or on snow, and the wheels will slip enough for this not to be an issue. I get that it will have a heavy load of log-- which will give it more traction; but like I said before, as long as he has a heavy tongue weight, it will put more of the load on the buggy, which would then match the traction of the trailer better.. Really the BEST answer for this problem is to have a ram powered pivot at the ball hitch. lol.. So then it would move like those dual tracked Russian arctic tractors. Or similar to a heavy front loader that can pivot in the center. But again, all he really needs is a practical way to disengage the trailer on the fly, such as a clutch (or viscous diff, like you said)-- or at the very least-- a quick disconnect drive shaft that he can pull off without tools, if it becomes a problem.
Reman1975
@calholli The problem with constant drive to the wheels on one piece trailers (Rather than one with steering front wheels) is that they tend to not follow in the tow vehicles tracks. They follow a line closer to the apex of a corner, so in tight manoeuvres the trailers wheels are traveling a shorter route, than that of the tow vehicle. To clarify what I'm saying, imagen an extreme example where the tow vehicle was dragging an unpowered trailer around in a circle, with the vehicle at 90' to the trailer. As it moved, the trailer will be rotating about the centre of it's axle, with one wheel going forwards and the other rolling backwards. The net rotation of the two wheels is zero. Now, if you've got driven trailer wheels in this scenario, they're going to be pushing the trailer forwards at the same speed as the vehicles wheels are turning. The end result of this is that the trailer will be trying to push the vehicle's back end sideways and jack knife it. In wider corners the effects will be less pronounced, but still there. The trailer will try to push the cornering vehicle, that results in the vehicles rear tyres getting pushed sideways, this makes them more likely to slip, which allows the trailer to "Catch up" even more and push the rear tyres sideways further, resulting in a jack knife. One option would possibly be to add a viscous coupling to the trailer drive, but unfortunately this would add expense, complexity and mean the trailer wheels wouldn't get much drive until the vehicles wheels were actually spinning.
calholli
@Donn DIY It should be fine on regular terrain. But if you're going over rocks and logs and driving up an incline, ect.. It's just a matter of traction and weight. If your trailer has enough tongue weight, it will put more of that weight onto your buggy-- and should be more balanced. Idk, You're not really doing super heavy duty loads-- I'm sure it's fine.. But again, the simplest answer is to have a clutch at your PTO shaft in the back/ that way you can disengage the trailer on the fly and kick it back in as needed -- or at least a simple shift lever that will disengage your PTO. I guess you could always pull your rear driveshaft-- but it would be much better to just push a clutch on your trailer temporarily, IMO
Donn DIY
Since the drive speed will be the same both on trailer and UTV I hope there will be no such problem. But I might be wrong.
calholli
@Rolf Nilsen I meant, there should be a secondary clutch right at the PTO in the rear; so that it can run on the tractor alone, and not the trailer.. when needed.
Chris Skelhorn
This is going to be such a brilliant build! Thank you for sharing! 🙂
Chris Skelhorn
@Donn DIY It's my pleasure! Looking forwards to more! 🙂
Donn DIY
Thanks for watching!
Kowalski 36
Как долго я ждал что бы узнать для чего нужен был вал отбора мощности ))) очень нравятся твои видео!
Алексей 37rus
Я поначалу думал косилка
GingerPiston
Excellent - something to look forward to over the coming weeks. Was trying to figure out how you drive two wheels from One sprocket but assume it’ll just be one long chain that wraps round all 3 sprockets. Also, I have no idea how you make sure the wheels on the trailer will turn at the same rate as the atv - guess the bmw diff had the same ratios as the one in the atv?
GingerPiston
@Donn DIY Thanks!
Donn DIY
Yes and yes. One long chain and three BMW diffs with 2.81 gearing.
Henning S.
Yes, the ATV has also BMW differentials...
Greg Dixon
Pretty sweet project mister. All that flipping n flopping of those parts around made my head spin. Hahaha. Im amazed at the talent you have bud. I really like seeing what yer doing over there in your part of the world. Keep up the great job. Ill keep watching. Greg in Central Pennsylvania
Engineered To Design
This is going to be cool! Good to see you back
HomemadeTools.net Website
Looking forward to this one. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎
JJ CC
I recognize that CAD software , something from Autodesk for sure ;)
Very interested to see the rest of this!
Smitty
Does the PTO rpm vary with the engine rpm/which gear the UTV is in? I'm just wondering about the trailer overrunning the UTV or vice versa
Tom Freer
Incredible design. I love this channel.
Donn DIY
Cheers man!
Daniel Piche
Not a new idea, but it a great project. Sure will make taking fire wood out easier. Will a pleasure to see it work!
Dr. M’s Garage
Great, new build. I have a thougt about the boogie Axel design. Lets say that you lose tractio on the UTV, and the trailer with boogies and wheels have traction and tries to push. The risk is that the rear boogie wheel will push and the boogie will climb and lift the trailer and front boogie wheel. On heavier boogie axeled maskins the boogie is connected to the chassie by a planetary gear set to prevent this.
A suggestion is to move the boogie tipping point forward closer to the front wheel so that you get a longer torqarm regarding the rear wheel and you will need more wheel torque to lift the front wheel/trailer.
Keep up the god work @donndiy
NI Dorty Discos
Love it. Was wondering would u need an idler for the chain sir? Maybe you havnt got to that stage yet😀. Your UTV an this trailer will be hard to stop🤙
Donn DIY
Yes, idler is coming.
Will Wade
Good Idea using the same wheels. You can put one of the trailer tires on the ATV to get home even if that means leaving the trailer until you get the tire fixed.
Thompson Crusher
some of the best videos on youtube. Great content. YOu need to do this for you dirt bike "2020 Timbersled Ripper" Would be a cool project to make the track for it.
Rasmus Madsen
Hi Don. The best Way to make This is with 2 chains in each Boogie axel to get rit of the problem with chain slipping and the other thing you can get out of it is more clearens between the wheels so you dont get stuck on a stomp or stone..
If I where you.. I would make the Boogie section look like a booomerang seen from the side and put 2 chain sproket on the center axel .. hope you understand 😊
I like your work and idieas
NavySturmGewehr
The internally driven walking beam is brilliant.
Kalle Ylisirniö
Get chains for your tire, they help the pulling power significantly.
Techtastisch 75
Hey, nice Idea. I am wondering though what program you used to assemble the parts? Would quite like to get into 3D modeling myself
Philip 0711
A good project for the future 👍🏼 but is the engine strong enough with the more weight?
🙂
Donn DIY
It should be.
Wild Man Wyatt
I am very intrigued. I can't wait to see this finished .
Mariusz Zdanowski
Świetna robota bardzo podoba mi się to co tworzysz
Дмитрий Балиоз
Интересный проект. Буду с удовольствием наблюдать за изготовлением. An interesting project. I would love to watch the production
James A
The wheels are awesome! 💪🤜 built tough!
caveman31750
Donn just a suggestion for a future project that I'm sure you will use.... tire changing machine. If anyone can design one I am sure it is you. Thanks for the videos they are appreciated!
Carl Thor
I would have gone with the Skidsteer/Grader style of chain drive. Yes it is, lower ground clearance, but, tooth loading on the drive sprocket(s) is lower, shaft load is the same, and the chain stresses are spread out, not all on one length, but two/side. This system, will give awesome power in the woods, as you will then stretch the trailer, to haul more.😊
Can't wait to see the rest of the build.
Best wishes from Northern Manitoba.
Валерий П
молодец хорошая работа !!!
Kirk Nelson
as configured in your CAD the chain is likely to slip because of the limited contact area and the angle, you be better off with 2 sprockets and a separate chain driving the forward and rear wheels. have you already worked out the gear ratio? thats a bit of math I wouldn't want to tackle.
Bruce Millar
Awesome CAD dynamic illustration.
Neil Young
Very interesting, can't wait to see it
HuMaNN8tur
Absolutely awesome build
Andreas Lundbäck
It might already been said, but the wheels should not be on equal distance from the centre axle. That will make the boogie climb over rocks and logs poorly. The front wheel should have a larger distance to the centre than the rear. Since you are doing it in CAD first now, it is easy to change the design 👍😊
Yoda's BFF
This should be another great build, 👍. You are a very talented young man, your videos are always a pleasure to watch, keep them coming.
Donn DIY
Cheers! Keep watching the videos!😁
blperoc
Looking forward to this. Will be interesting :-)
Bart Spies
Probably a bit late to the show, but in earth moving trailers with a simular kind of carriage they offset the pivet piont of the carriage to the rear. This gives the front tire less preasure (Force*length of the arm) so it will be easier to pull in difficult conditions because the wheel will be les likely to "dive" into the Material you are driving over.
Jason LaFave
I love the idea, however I believe there needs to be more support for the bogie wheel end. On graders and forestry equipment there is a large radial bearing to support the load weight and thrust. I also agree with other comments about using two separate chains to drive the wheels such as a skid steer or grader. Perhaps a much more simple system of using a drive tire centered between the two bogie tires like are used in a muck truck powered wheel barrow would accomplish the same ends and simplify the build.
Eldon Garner
3D modeling really helps. Best as you go forward.
Kevin Campbell
Can we take bets on what each side will weigh without wheels? 😁 I’m thinking easily 40kgs
Donn DIY
Probably, yes. 😁
Jonas Stahl
It dont need to swim, why care about weight
Henri Käki
Snow chains for utv and tracks for trailer, and that will go up to a tree 😉